Foros Fairlight Jarre

Cita de: Mr. Punch en 29 de Marzo de 2008, 01:26:24 PM

Cita de: RoadRunner en 28 de Marzo de 2008, 06:20:36 PM

Threats instill fear.
Anger is the result of the concious choice to address the source of the fear.
Anger is an inevitable response to a threat.

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Hey... I'm not that handsome ! ;)

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Let's put it even more simply...

How would any of you feel if I told you that I've been having a big joke with you ?
That I've just been having a joke since my first post here ?

You'd still be angry with me, right ? You'd be telling me to make sure that my jokes are seen as jokes and that threatening people isn't funny. Yes ?

You've been very angry with me, partly because you perceived my posts as stating a threat to your forum or your friends.

Do you see my point yet ?

By the way, just in case anyone now has doubts, I'm not joking.
I am being very, very serious.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Paqui Dermo,
Can you understand the difference between your wife threatening to cut off your balls and someone you don't know... such as myself.. threatening to smash your skull with my didgeridoo if I ever see you at one of my performances ?

You know your wife and know if she is serious or not.

You don't know me. You don't know how serious my comment may be.

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I'm going to smash his skull with my didgeridoo if I ever see him at my concerts !!!  :x



;)

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You see... By the simple addition of the wink AFTER my post, a reader can see that it is  a joke. Perhaps it's a bad joke. Perhaps the joke is in bad taste, but at least the reader knows that it is a joke and not a threat.

Here's another...


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Pablo:
I'm going to give him a flying kick and put a stop to his desires, real quick !  :x

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Juan:
Hey Pablo, be careful about how you make jokes.
We don't want another run-away RoadRunner situation, do we ??? ;)

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You see, this way, the person who has just found the comment about him can see that it was made in jest even though the original poster "Pablo" has neglected to make it understood to a casual reader that it was just a joke.

Reading the comments from others seems to indicate that your forum has a history of offending, insulting and/or threatening people.

You are giving me the impression that I am not the first to be angered by your humour. (although If I had seen clearly that it was humour, it would not have angered me.)

It would be safe to conclude that unless you start to understand the consequences of your comments, I will not be the last.

I would like to hope that I am the last who will feel threatened by your humour.
I am trying to help make sure that I am the last person to feel threatened by your humour.

Yet, still I am met with closed minds and ridicule.
For how long will you continue to ridicule from a closed mind before you get the message ?
What do I have to do to make it clear to you that I can take a joke. I'll laugh at a joke if it is funny and I will join in with a joke even if I find it a little offensive about myself.

The jokes on this forum can be misinterpreted as threats.
It is imperative that you all ensure that any threats made in jest are seen as jokes and not a genuine threat.
The next person you threaten may not simply over react by making a lot of noise in your forum. The next person may take more drastic action against the person posting their joke without awaiting an apology or explanation.

Please, somebody translate for me and make my points understood.

PD: "Smack his head with my didgeridoo" is a long-standing RoadRunner joke. Anyone who knows me knows that I am joking if I say it. Anyone who doesn't know me, doesn't know this and I wouldn't say it to someone I don't know - not without making sure that they KNOW that it is only a joke.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: Ñáñaro en 28 de Marzo de 2008, 12:04:23 PM
Navegando por el blog de no somos nadie en m80 ¿a que no sabeis a quien me he encontrado? ¡A Chuck!

http://blog.m80radio.com/no_somos_nadie/2008/03/chuck-norris.html    :lol: :lol: :lol:

Por cierto, RoadRunner, perhaps it will be a good idea that you take a tour at http://www.latiapascuala.com/smf/index.php?topic=4340.0, is the 'Guía Para No Perderse En El Foro de la Real Academia Letras FairJosmareras', a guide that show you wath's cooking on this forum, where you'll find some interesting entris like 'Heliotropada' (that refers to Eugenio) and others examples of our personal humour. (and sorry for my eglish  :|)            

Thank you for your kind offer of help.
I do appreciate it.

I apologise for needing to use your kind offer to help me demonstrate my point. It is not my intention to argue with you.

How many other visitors, not speaking Spanish, finding a threat on your forum would know where to look to find how to translate your humour ?

I didn't.

I don't mind making a fool of myself and being another "trophy" in your forum's history.
I don't mind people making jokes about me. I would like to share in those jokes and also joke with you.

I would like to help prevent anyone else being threatened by your humour.
Threats instill fear.
Anger is the result of the concious choice to address the source of the fear.
Anger is an inevitable response to a threat.
I have attempted to apologise to the members of the board for my part in this misunderstanding.

I am hoping for some serious discussion from members of this forum on how a simple joke cannot be allowed to become perceived as a threat.

This will demonstrate to me that people are understanding the point I am trying to make.

I am not offended by your humour.
I am worried that someone else could easily feel threatened in the future.
I am worried that "the next time" may have the potential to be worse than a clown with an EWI making a fool of himself.

Can anyone understand my points when put so simply ?

PD - A guy in the UK was arrested for posting a threat on the internet. He says he meant it as a joke. There were no signs that his was meant as a joke. He was still arrested and prosecuted.
He is not an isolated case.
I'm not trying to threaten legal action. I am trying to point out that even when meant as a joke, a threat is still serious if the other person has no way of knowing that it is a joke.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: Xethis en 28 de Marzo de 2008, 09:40:26 AM

Cita de: RoadRunner en 28 de Marzo de 2008, 09:35:30 AM

At the risk of sounding repetetive. ;)

Ok. Punto final para ésta historia. Te invito a que sigas participando de éste foro, y que te dejes a un lado el malentendido :wink:

:-(

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

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Evidentemente no has entendido el sentido de este foro: debatir, charlar, criticar y opinar sobre Jarre. Toda esa marea enferma y demente que has armado tu solo es totalmente innecesaria, o tanto menos superflua.

Ah, y te respondo: soy Xethis, miembro forero de FJarre. Y vale la aclaración, porque si no has captado la broma de Spademan, probablemente tampoco hayas entiendido para que sirven los nombres de usuario y los avatares. Un prueba de ésto es que firmas todos tus (cansinos y repetitivos) posts con tu nombre y tu nick (como si ya no supiéramos de quien se trata).

¿Yo no es Jarre, así que cómo amenazando mi seguridad personal cabe el sentido de este foro? Ahora que sé que no era simplemente un comentario desafortunado de una sola vez de un solo usuario, sino humor duradero en este foro, realizo que el problema es potencialmente mucho más grande. Estoy enterado ahora del malentendido. Estoy también enterado que peor podría suceder. Estoy intentando recomendar una línea de conducta para prevenir más lejos "malentendidos". Estoy intentando explicar exactamente porqué estas medidas son necesarias. Estoy enojado. Simplemente el despido de mis preocupaciones, poner en ridículome o regañar no va a ayudar a esa materia ahora. Estoy dispuesto a tomar toda la irrisión y chastisement que usted quisiera administrar. Por favor, solamente después que he hecho mi punto entendido. Estoy intentando seguir siendo constructivo y amistoso. Estoy trabajando muy difícilmente para hacerme entendido. Spademan se disculpó e intentó hacerse entendido a mí. Spademan pidió una traducción. He pedido ayuda en traducir y ayudando nos entendemos. Evidentemente, usted no ha entendido el sentido de mis postes. La gente agrega cosas al extremo de sus postes. Cuadros, bromas, a veces anuncios. Mi nombre y mi nick son lo que agrego al extremo de mis postes. ¿Esto le incomoda? ¿Si es así por qué?

I am not Jarre, so how does threatening my personal safety fit the sense of this forum ?

Now that I know that it wasn't simply a one-time unfortunate comment by a single user, but long-running humour on this forum, I realise that the problem is potentially a lot larger.

I am now aware of the misunderstanding.
I am also aware that worse could happen.
I am trying to recommend a course of action to prevent further "misunderstandings".
I am trying to explain exactly why these measures are necessary.
I am angry. Simply dismissing my concerns, ridiculing or chastising me isn't going to help that matter right now.
I am willing to take all the ridicule and chastisement you would like to administer. Please, only after I have made my point understood.
I am trying to remain constructive and friendly.
I am working very hard to make myself understood.
Spademan apologised and tried hard to make himself understood to me.
Spademan asked for a translation.
I have asked for help in translating and helping us understand each other.
Evidently, you have not understood the sense of my posts.

People add things to the end of their posts.
Pictures, jokes, sometimes adverts.
My name and my nickname are what I add to the end of my posts. Does this bother you ? If so, why ?

At the risk of sounding repetetive. ;)

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: Xethis en 28 de Marzo de 2008, 06:21:45 AM

Cita de: RoadRunner en 28 de Marzo de 2008, 05:59:36 AM
Estoy traduciendo actualmente todos mis postes anteriores en esta parte del foro. Estoy modificando los postes y estoy haciendo mi tentativa en la traducción en texto verde. Si un asesor quisiera limpiar encima de "Oxygene 2008" y traer los postes aquí, asistiré a traducirlos también.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

No hace falta. Con que te dejes de estorbar con este argumento cansino, repetitivo y por demás agotado, alcanza y sobra.

Haznos el favor, y realmente te lo agradeceremos

¿y quiénes son usted en esta discusión?
Si usted no desea leerla. No la lea.
¿Si usted piensa es una discusión insustancial entonces porqué usted incomodaría el contribuir?
Si usted desea contribuir, intentar hacer algo positivo y hacer el esfuerzo de entender el punto y de ayudar a otros a entenderlo también.
And who are you in this discussion ?

If you don't want to read it. Don't read it.
If you think it's a pointless discussion then why would you bother contributing ?

If you want to contribute, try doing something positive and making the effort to understand the point and help others to understand it also.

Cita de: SPADEMANPara los entendidos en inglés... ¿traducción, por favor?

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Estoy traduciendo actualmente todos mis postes anteriores en esta parte del foro. Estoy modificando los postes y estoy haciendo mi tentativa en la traducción en texto verde. Si un asesor quisiera limpiar encima de "Oxygene 2008" y traer los postes aquí, asistiré a traducirlos también.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: SPADEMAN en 27 de Marzo de 2008, 10:44:00 PM
Para los entendidos en inglés... ¿traducción, por favor?

I agree. Could somebody please help me translate my posts to Spanish ?

I've stopped attempting to use Spanish since ZZero claimed that I was threatening Spademan with violence. That was not my intention. If my poor translations are responsible for it appearing that I am threatening physical violence, I will need to ensure that I post my original intended dialogue.

Whether or not you think I am worthy of ridicule, I am still trying to make a valid point.

I have been asked to discuss this issue here and not in the other threads and I am happy to meet the requests.
I would like to request that for the moment, this is discussed seriously so that I can be sure that you have understood the point I am trying very hard to make.

Ridicule me, flame me, ban me if you want - but please wait until my point has been made and understood to prevent similar or worse happening in the future.

I count at least two occasions on which I have been compared to "Eugenio".
This, I guess, is more of your forum's history. Is Eugenio someone else who was extremely angry at finding what he perceived to be a threat of extreme physical violence on your board ? Is he someone else you ridiculed when he was trying to make a serious and valid point ?

I'm intrigued as to why I might be compared to Eugenio and what the similarities are in these two case.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: Paqui Dermo en 27 de Marzo de 2008, 07:30:00 PM
Roadrunner, we have enough troubles in our lives.
We don't come to this forum to search more troubles, we write to here to enjoy and talk about what we want. Sometimes an inconvenient sentence is written, but we try to laugh about all this and don't threaten nobody.

Estoy seguro que vendré entender eso si consigo la ocasión de saber a algo de usted un poco mejor.
I'm sure I will come to understand that if I get the chance to know some of you a little better.


De la perspectiva alguien que encontró su vídeo que era utilizado en un foro, después leyendo un comentario enojado que amenazaba violencia física, encontré muy difícil de venir simplemente a su foro reír.
From the perspective of someone who found his video being used on a forum, then reading an angry comment threatening physical violence, I found it very difficult to simply join your forum to laugh.


Solamente ahora que alguna gente ha tomado el tiempo y el esfuerzo de intentar entender la situación más bien que simplemente decirla "era una broma" o intentando atacar o poner en ridículo mi posición téngame vienen ver la ironía en la situación entera y pueden encontrar el lado divertido en él, incluso si puede tomar un cierto tiempo para reír.
Only now that some people have taken the time and effort to try to understand the situation instead of simply saying "it was a joke" or trying to attack or ridicule my position have I come to see the irony in the whole situation and can find the funny side in it, even if it may take some time to laugh. Because right now my head hurts like you would not believe !!!  :-(


Sí, me estoy sintiendo enojado. No estoy enojado en Spademan para su comentario.
Él tomó la época de entender que mis preocupaciones y él intentó explicar el contexto de la broma.
Sin embargo, la gente aquí todavía la encuentra digna para poner en ridículo y para regañar a alguien para percibir algo como amenaza válida y en alta voz exigir una apología y una explicación.
I'm still feeling angry, but not angry at Spademan for his comment.
He took the time to understand and explain but because others here still find it worthy to mock and chastise someone for perceiving something as a valid threat and loudly demanding an apology and explanation.


Sí, entendiendo el contexto del humor y la ironía en la situación entera, puedo reírme de mi propia estupidez pero pienso que los miembros del foro, en su totalidad, necesitan entender que mis preocupaciones sigan siendo con eficacia válidas y (principalmente) un-tratadas.
Yes, understanding the context of the humour and the irony in the whole issue, I can laugh at my own daftness but I think that the members of the board, as a whole, need to understand the point that my issue is effectively still valid and (mainly) un-addressed.

Encontré el comentario extremadamente el amenazar en ese entonces y me causó la preocupación mucha. Me hizo bastante preocupación intentar navegar a un foro en una lengua que nunca he utilizado con excepción de aprender cómo decir "hola, cómo es usted?" mi amigo... y yo generalmente consiga eso incorrecto, también.
I found the comment extremely threatening at the time and it caused me a great deal of concern.
It caused me enough concern to try to navigate a board in a language I have never used other than learning how to say "hello, how are you ?" to my friend... and I usually get that wrong, too.

Intenté leer algo del foro porque noté que mi vídeo era utilizado aquí y esperaba que la gente aquí pudiera encontrar humor en mi vídeo.
I tried to read some of the board because I found my video being used here and I hoped that people might find some humour in my video.

The guy with the "punk" haircut during the waiting for cousteau intro seemed to cause some amusement to someone here. I found the comment they posted quite funny and I'm sure that the "punky with the crest" would find it funny too.

I'm not annoyed that someone posted my video and I'm not annoyed that people are having a good laugh and I'd like to be able to share in the humour too.

When Spademan made his unfortunate comment, it was plain and simple, a violent threat with an angry face.

Just as Spademan had no way of knowing the history of the person to whom he was making the comment, I had no way of knowing the history of the comment itself.

So please, I agree with those who are defending Spademan by saying that he had no way of knowing about my history and how misdirected the comment may have been.

This is the very issue I am trying to raise. From the other side of the coin, to you all here, a joke and quite a funny one.
From my perspective at the time, I could see nothing but an angry threat of violence.

Now that I understand Spademan's joke and his humour, I hope that we can continue as friends but I am trying to caution anyone who would use such humour that you MUST MUST MUST MUST make it absolutely clear that it is humour.

Spademan defended his position quite correctly by trying to link to a board "wiki" entry.
Unfortunately, I couldn't gain access for various reasons and was unable to determine anything from that.
Also, remember that I was unaware of that resource at the time of finding the "threat".

I think the picture of Mr. Norris and his wiggling muscles, slammed home the point better than anything else. I'm not unfamiliar with "forum-humour" on other sites.

Spademan did try, in personal mail, to explain the context of the humour and offered profuse apologies but it was not easy to determine that there was waiting mail and then to navigate to it and translate it.

I'm not easily offended and I'm not likely to firebomb your server for posting cartoons of me.. ;)
However, I really don't tolerate violent threats made against myself or someone close to me.

If a similar comment were to be made to me now and I was threatened with Mr. Norris, I would see no implied violence of course because I understand the context.

But please, people of this board, remember that no-one else finding your forum under similar circumstances would know the history and context of your Chuck-Norris humour.

Can anyone actually understand my perspective or do you all just still think I'm a raving loony ?
Or perhaps there are some who are thinking "this raving loony actually has a point." ?

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: Paqui Dermo en 27 de Marzo de 2008, 06:24:09 PM
Roadrunner, I've seen that you like to write a lot. If you want to keep talking about Spademan's joke you can write all that you want here. But please don't keep writing in the "Gira Oxygene 2008 (Oxygene tour 2008)" post, if you don't want to talk about the concerts.

Muchas gracias. Usted explicaría a mí para satisfacer, porqué ZZero piensa que he amenazado Spademan con violencia. Él hace al parecer tal declaración en referencia al poste pasado que hice en (mi tentativa en) español.

Many thanks.
Would you explain to me please, why ZZero thinks that I have threatened Spademan with violence.
He apparently makes such a statement in reference to the last post I made in (my attempt at) Spanish.


No me estoy preponiendo culpar y acusar a otros que no estén haciendo nada mal.
Puedo entender en el contexto de la broma.
¿Over-reacted? Absolutamente probablemente verdad.
Sin embargo, pienso que todavía hay una lección importante que se aprenderá aquí para nosotros todos.
My intention is not to blame and accuse others who are doing no wrong and although I can understand in the context of the joke, I over-reacted, I think there is still an important lesson to be learned here for us all.


Apunto continuar esto amistoso, sabiendo que el comentario fue significado en broma aunque sin el contexto del humor duradero del foro, que el significado está perdido.
I aim to continue this amicably, knowing that the comment was meant in jest even though without the context of the long-running humour of the forum, that meaning is lost.


Quisiera sugerir que si su foro tiene algunas connotaciones ' violentas ' a su humor, ese aconsejen sus miembros asegurarse de que si cualquier persona lee los postes sepan que los comentarios están significados en humor.
In that aim, I would like to suggest that if your board has some 'violent' connotations to its humour, that your members are advised to make clear that their humour IS seen as humour.


En mi analogía anterior del arma del juguete en un banco, alcanzar la broma, necesitaría asegurarme de que mi arma del juguete fuera lo más obviamente posible un arma del juguete al no realista en el más leve.
To stick with my analogy of the toy gun in a bank, to get away with the joke, I would need to ensure that my toy gun was most obviously a toy gun an not realistic in the slightest.


Amenazar público a alguien con violencia extrema, (también cuando en broma) es una cosa peligrosa a hacer. Chastising y ridiculing a alguien que sea el tema de esas amenazas no es comportamiento apropiado.
To publicly threaten someone with extreme violence, even in jest, is a dangerous thing to do.
Chastising and ridiculing those who are the subject of those threats is not an appropriate mode of behaviour.


Acepto completamente mi parte en este malentendido y la veo para cuáles es. Me disculpo sinceramente por la interrupción que causé en su foro.
I fully accept my part in this misunderstanding and see it for what it is.
I wholeheartedly apologise for the disruption I caused in your forum.


Me plazco bromear y tomar insultos juguetones y responderé en la misma manera. Si usted piensa que soy un weirdo para llevar un EWI un concierto. Hey, eso está muy bien por mí. Sé ya que soy un weirdo y si usted desea reírse de mí para mi opción, ésa está muy bien también. Gocé de un concierto que el nadie más oyó y tenía uno de los mejores tiempos de mi vida. Su risa no me lastimará que y puedo reír también. Si usted desea atacarme para ser un weirdo, después no esté sorprendido por favor si la risa para y consigo un poco serio. Apenas recuerde, he sido un weirdo y he tenido siempre muchos años de la práctica y de la experiencia en ser un weirdo serio en la cara de un ataque. ;)
I am happy to joke and take playful insults and will respond in the same fashion.
If you think I'm a weirdo for taking an EWI to a concert. Hey, that's fine by me. I already know I'm a weirdo and if you want to laugh at me for my choice, that's fine too. I enjoyed a concert that no-one else heard and I had one of the best times of my life. Your laughter won't hurt me and I can laugh too.
If you want to attack me for being a weirdo, then please don't be surprised if the laughter stops and I get a little serious. Just remember, I've always been a weirdo and have had many years of practice and experience at being a serious weirdo in the face of an attack. ;)

Una vez más mis gracias a ésos que ha intentado entender y mis apologías a los que han sido interrumpidas por el ruido que hice en su tablero, que era, en gran medida, más quebrantador que mi EWI en un concierto de Jarre, le prometo.
Again, my thanks to those who have tried to understand and my apologies to those who have been disrupted by the noise I made on your board, which was, by far, more disruptive than my EWI at a Jarre concert, I promise you.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: Paqui Dermo en 27 de Marzo de 2008, 06:27:27 PM
Roadrunner, if you want to keep talking about the Chuck Norris' flying fist, you can write in this post: http://www.latiapascuala.com/smf/index.php?topic=6866.0

This post is only about the concerts of the Oxygene tour 2008.

Thank you!

Thank you.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Somebody please create a new thread for the continuation of the discussion about how I perceived a genuine physical threat of violence and acted WITHIN THE LAW to demand a public apology for a public threat.
I'll follow a link posted in this thread.

I made no threat toward the forum, only that I would use legal means to ensure that Spademan understood my point of view.

I made no threats of mafia-style violence or ANY form of violence, not even in jest.
The threats were made toward ME, not the other way around.
My reference to the mafia was to indicate that you don't know who might be reading what you are posting. You don't know how someone might react to what they perceive as a threat.
I was making it clear that Spademan was lucky that his threat was directed at me and not someone who would be less reasonable about accepting an apology and an explanation.
Perhaps I over-reacted, but better to over-react and loudly demand an apology using means WITHIN THE LAW than to seek retribution through violence.

Yes, I made a mistake in my interpretation and it was a mistake which ANYONE would have made in similar circumstances AND I immediately apologised for my deliberate insult directed at Spademan when it started to become evident that it was meant as a joke, not as a real threat made in anger.

I made NO threat toward the forum, rather I would have done exactly as you have done and request a ban. That is your first course of legal action against me and it would have been my first course of action against Spademan.

I would happily accept a ban for my mistake but it would deprive me of the ability to make public apology, wouldn't it  ?

And here, you post that I threaten this forum and are intolerant of my attitude, yet you are doing exactly what said I would do. Do you know the meaning of the term "Double-standards" ?

I have been asked not to continue discussing this topic in this thread.
It is therefore somewhat unfair of others to continue attacking me here for MY CHOICES which disturbed NO-ONE and any attack on my choices without JUST CAUSE (and no-one has managed to show just cause for me not taking an EWI and headphones to a concert), is nothing short of narrow-mindedness and selfishness.

**"Oh... I'm sorry... I don't like the fact that you move when you breathe. Could you stop doing that please ? It's really distracting.. Oh.. and don't blink either, the movement of your eyelids is really putting me off watching the musicians on stage."**
How pathetic an attitude can someone support and still claim that they are rational and reasonable ?
You cannot complain about the noise my EWI makes because NO-ONE can hear it, so you complain about the fact that I move. Did you see how much I moved in that video ? Were you sitting next to me and distracted by my fingers moving in the dark ?
Go and have a wee word with yourself !!!!

My sincere apologies for disrupting the amicable atmosphere of your forum but try putting yourself in the position of someone who has just read that someone else wants to attack him with extreme physical violence and saw no signs that it were a joke.

Please, if you don't want me to discuss this here, don't keep bringing it up here.

If you prefer and you want to be immature and narrowminded, I can still take it through legal channels and seek damages for the stress and trauma caused by reading about the members of this board finding it amusing to threaten me with Chuck-Norris style violence.
Oh, and by the way - I'm likely to win my case in a court of law. I remind you to look at the photo and description I posted in my first message on this board.
That WOULD involve the forum as a whole and it's not my intention to seek retribution from a group of people who are not party to any wrong-doing.

I brought my public complaint and demands for a public apology to the public place where the public comment was made. My actions were absolutely justified even if based in a misinterpretation.

I've absolutely not made any threats toward this forum or any member other than Spademan.
My threats were to seek retribution through legitimate, official, legal means.
Nor have I made insult to any other member other than to suggest that those who are encouraging Spademan in his joke are no better than he.

I am still very annoyed and angry but I am beginning to see the funny side because instead of simply attacking and ridiculing my position, some people have taken the time to try to explain WHY it was meant as a joke. My thanks to those who have tried to remain impartial and understand how the misunderstanding may occur and why I might react so strongly to a perceived threat.
It was only a joke in the context of the long-running humour of this forum, something of which a visitor or casual reader is potentially unaware.

If I walked into a bank with a toy gun as a joke between friends, the staff of the bank would not be aware of the joke and no-one would chastise the bank-staff for following correct procedure in the face of a perceived threat.
If I were aprehended by the law-enforcement, I can still be prosecuted for threatening behaviour even though no actual threat was intended.

I've made every attempt to explain my position and to understand the perspective of those on this forum. I've even worked very hard to state my case in Spanish and you may think I over-reacted but maybe, if I had realised the scale of the threat posed to me several years ago and acted forcefully and quickly enough, I might not still be suffering the results of the injuries inflicted.
It could be claimed that my injuries are a result of my UNDER-REACTION.

My thanks to those who have taken the time to help smooth out this misunderstanding.
My apologies to those who have suffered the disruption on the forum.

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: PISUKE en 27 de Marzo de 2008, 02:25:17 AM

Please, Mr RoadRunner.... if you want to talk abaut your crazy idea, go to "Tertulia" section.

Don't write anything more in this post. If you don't serve this rule, Chuck will come here to explain it easier and faster.

faithfully.

Apologies, Chuck.
I had already posted. It had taken me that long to try to construct a reply.

I like the twitching pectorals... Funny...

Paul..
The RoadRunner..

Cita de: Dzoolook en 27 de Marzo de 2008, 02:09:07 AM
Aquí no estamos tratando con gente de la mafia, estamos tratándonos entre amigos.

Afortunadamente para Spademan, no tengo ninguna conexión al mafia.
Espero que usted esté correcto en la segunda parte de su declaración.
Que somos todos los amigos aquí.

Todavía estoy intentando traducir el mensaje pasado de Spademan a mí.
Estoy teniendo dificultad con ella pero suena más como una apología y una explicación.
Pienso entiendo que su analogía de hacer Jarre coma su teclado.
Pero, ésa es una amenaza que se hace más obviamente en broma porque la amenaza entera es ridícula.
Si usted hubiera dicho "haría que él come su EWI si él me molestó con él!", habría sido más obvio como humor.
O quizás si usted tiene sus propios problemas de la movilidad y utiliza un sillón de ruedas... Podría ser visto como humor entre los que le conocen bien.
En tal caso usted no puede hacer lo que usted amenaza.
Y en qué caso, yo participaría en la broma y sugeriría que la muchedumbre pararía el mirar de Jarre y comenzaría la "lucha del lisiados !!!" grito. ;)

¿Puede usted ver porqué no vería nada sino una amenaza en su comentario?
No hablo ningún dialecto del español y muchos de los postes son duros de traducir pero las oraciones simples tienen sentido perfecto.
Su comentario era comprensible a mí.

El hecho que en aquella 'epoca, usted sabía que usted hablaba del amigo de un miembro de este tablero, hecho le más que una "amenaza al azar simple" hizo en broma.
¿Mis palabras están teniendo sentido?
Me disculpo por llamarle un gusano cobarde, si usted realmente significó que como broma. En lugar, debo esperar que usted vea porqué estaba enojado en la idea de ser amenazado por alguien, para gozar del concierto, mi manera.
Pagué mi boleto.
Sin embargo, tuve que pagar mis amigos conseguir adentro también porque necesité ayuda.
¿Usted no me piensa se sentía dado derecho para gozar de mi experiencia del una vez que-en-uno-curso de la vida por lo menos tanto como cualquier persona quién fue a ese concierto? Me cercioré de que disturbara a nadie más y me cercioré de que respetara las derechas de característica intelectual de Jarre durante mi grabación, pero todavía consiguiendo tanto como podría demostrar a mi esposa.
Trabajé abundancia muy dura y pagada para gozar de ese concierto sin dar a cualquier persona razón de quejarse.

¿Usted notó en mi vídeo que las bahías todas del sillón de ruedas fueron ocupadas?
El personal del lugar antes del acontecimiento me ofrecí una de las bahías. Anticipé que si tomé una bahía cuando podría manejar un asiento ordinario por un tiempo corto, algún otro pudo perder su ocasión de ver Jarre.
Esa noche, alguien podía ir al concierto de Jarre porque decidía utilizar un asiento en vez de una bahía del sillón de ruedas aunque significó que sería mucho menos cómodo.
Después de que el concierto alguien detrás de mí (uno de los ayudantes de uno de la gente en los sillones de ruedas detrás de mí) me golpeara ligeramente en el hombro y me preguntara, "cuál es ese palillo?"
Lo levanté para arriba así que ella podría verlo. "éste?"
"sí", ella dijo. "recoge el sonido o algo?"
Ella podría ver que fue conectado con mis oídos pero ella no podría oír el sonido que era hecho por él.
"no," I dijo, "es un instrumento musical. Un synthesiser controlado de la respiración."
Lo roté de modo que ella pudiera ver el frente. Ella lo había visto solamente de la parte posteriora hasta ahora.
"Oh. Como un Clarinet."

Jarre tiene gusto de unir a gente con su música, yo cree. Mi esposa y yo somos juntos debido a su música y él también me inspiró a que buscara para un EWI.

Espero que usted acepte mi apología por insultarle. No le insulté simplemente. Expliqué porqué usted ganó tal insulto.
Pienso que quizá le di un "Chuck-Norris-style" simplemente moviéndose los dedos.
Por lo menos grité en alta voz bastante para que usted lo oiga el llegar y lo evite. ¿Sí?

Le daré la ventaja de la duda, Spademan y aceptaré su apología. Gracias. :-)

Paul..
The RoadRunner..